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ufos nycap and the cia by charles lear

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of all the private organizations devoted

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to ufo investigation the national

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investigations committee on aerial

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phenomena was arguably the most

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ambitious and tenacious this was driven

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in large part by its director donald

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kehoe kehoe held the beliefs that ufos

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are extraterrestrial and that the u s

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government particularly the air force

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was keeping information from the public

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that could possibly prove the e t

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hypothesis as effective as nycap was in

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hounding the air force and convincing

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many in the u.s congress that ufos were

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deserving of scientific study there are

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indications that the cia was involved in

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both the beginning and the end of the

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organization todd zachel wrote about the

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cia nycap connection in the january 1979

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issue of just cause the newsletter put

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out by citizens against ufo secrecy

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nycap was incorporated in 1956 and two

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men say show argues where covert cia

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operatives were put into chair positions

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within the organization one of these men

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was bernard j.o carvalho who was made

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the chairman of nycap's membership

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subcommittee according to zaychel

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carvalho worked as a frontman for

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companies secretly run by the cia

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the other was count nicholas de

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rochefort who was made vice chairman of

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nycap according to zaychel deroshfort

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worked with the cia's psychological

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warfare staff seychelles tells the

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reader there is more than ample evidence

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to conclusively establish both

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derosefort and carvalho or at least

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during certain periods of their lives

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covert employees of the central

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intelligence agency the first director

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of nycap was one of its founders t

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townsend brown seychelles tells the

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reader that the air force had an

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interest in brown's propulsion theories

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since the early 50s he claimed to have

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developed an anti-gravity device and

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proposes that the cia would have taken

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an interest in brown for this reason

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he also argues that because of the cia's

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concern about possible subversive

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activity by ufo groups as mentioned in

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the 1953 robertson panel report one

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might well expect to find covert cia

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agents infiltrating a newly founded

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washington-based ufo organization

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brown was removed as director at the end

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of 1956 and both carvalho and de

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rochefort left shortly thereafter brown

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was replaced by major donald e kehoe

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usmc retired

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kehoe had been a classmate of vice

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admiral roscoe hill encoder usn retired

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at the naval academy in annapolis

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maryland and he got hill encoder to

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agree to sit on nycap's board of

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governors hill encoder was the first

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director of the cia so this is a

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definite connection between the cia and

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nycap it doesn't seem as if hill encoder

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was under any direct influence by the

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cia while he was with nycap hill

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encoders publicly stated beliefs aligned

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with those of kehoe and nycap and he

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openly accused the air force of

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misleading the american public when it

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came to ufos and urged action by

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congress to reduce the danger from

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secrecy zaisho asserts that in 1962

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kehoe was far along in his efforts to

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force congress into holding open

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hearings on ufos and the air force's

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handling of the subject he says that

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much of kiho's evidence that ufos were

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real and under extraterrestrial control

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was based on information from

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confidential sources kehoe couldn't be

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sure would testify and that kehoe was

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counting on hillenkotter to make

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commendations of the air force and carry

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the day hill encoder then resigned from

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the board and in his letter of

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resignation wrote the air force cannot

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do more under the circumstances and i

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believe we should not continue to

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criticize their investigations

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seychelles references the 1977 ground

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saucer watch freedom of information act

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lawsuit that resulted in the release of

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ufo-related cia files in 1978 and

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without going into details at the

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present time assures the reader that

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hill encoder was pressured by the cia

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after the agency received complaints

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from air force officials about hill

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encoder's role in nycap under kehoe's

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direction nycap kept up the pressure on

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congress and the air force in 1966 nycap

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was instrumental in moving congress to

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hold a hearing on ufos by the committee

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on armed services where representatives

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of the air force and its ufo

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investigation project blue book were

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asked about their handling of the ufo

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problem if the cia

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had indeed infiltrated nycap it

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certainly didn't defang the organization

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seychelles then addresses the presence

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on the board at the time of his writing

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of colonel joseph bryan iii usaf retired

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who mead describes as the founder and

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original chief of the cia's

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psychological warfare staff 1947-1953

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seychelles says that during interviews

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he held with brian brian confirmed his

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cia connections brian asked that his

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position as a covert cia operative not

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be made public and denied having any

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connection or communication with the

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agency while he sat on nycap's board

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when it was suggested to brian that two

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cia covert agents had penetrated nycap

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at its very beginning brian replied

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there's nothing to penetrate about it

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was all overt the whole thing

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kehoe was removed as director of nycap

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in 1969 due to its poor handling of

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nyquip finances according to seychelles

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brian denied having anything to do with

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it during an interview they shall held

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with him in 1977 then seychelles points

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out that nycap files on the meeting

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established that brian was chairman of

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the board at the time and distributed a

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memo where he labelled kehoe as an apt

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after kehoe was removed as director he

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was kicked upstairs and moved to the

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board jack akov took over akov had been

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the head of the society of photographic

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scientists and engineers which according

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to zaychel had been the target of

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frequent kgb spying attempts due to the

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fact that many of its members were cia

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photo analysts seychelles says that

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acuff had been approached by soviet

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agents on several occasions and reported

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this to the fbi he began meeting with

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the soviets at the behest of the fbi

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acting in effect as a covert agent

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another suspected cia affiliate in the

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nycap organization was g stuart nixon

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who in 1973 was an assistant to acoff

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seychelles references a document from

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the cia where an unnamed person

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indicates some familiarity with g stuart

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nixon seychelles also points out that

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daily nightcap logs reflect that nixon

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met with several past and present then

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cia employees on a frequent basis at the

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time of zaychel's writing nycap was

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withering and close to death as an

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organization and acuff had been replaced

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by alan c hall a retired cia employee

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living in bethesda seychelles concludes

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his article by bringing up the theory

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that the cia had purposely destroyed the

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leading anti-secrecy organization of the

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1960s and stopped short of agreeing with

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this this possibility was debated online

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by nycap insiders including fran ridge

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gordon lore and jan aldrich as recently

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as 2018 and they were unable to agree on

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whether it was the c.i.a or just poor

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management that killed nycap the cia

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nightcap connection was looked into

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deeply by jack brewer in his 2021 book

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wayward sons nycap in the ic brewer did

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extensive research and filed foia

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requests and was unable to positively

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identify any of the suspected cia covert

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agents as such though the evidence he

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presents appears convincing brewer leans

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towards the idea that the cia helped set

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up the organization and used it as an

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asset for various purposes including

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propaganda leak detection and money

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laundering and then put an end to it

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when it outlived its usefulness he likes

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a shell stopped short of reaching a

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final conclusion so the question of

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whether or not the cia had a hand in

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icap's beginning and end remains an open

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